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  New light!, says JW-Archive. The inspired word can have mistranslations, says Dec 2015 WT

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  sorry, i know i posted this earlier but i believe the title did not gather enough attention.

  i think is a topic worth discussing.. http://www.jw-archive.org/post/127866869178/new-light-the-inspired-word-of-god-can.

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  Doug Mason

  Startrek,

  Thanks for pointing out that Watchtower article. It's simply a marketing tool for their own version, but I wonder why they had to write it.
  

  Its thrust is that others made mistakes but the Watchtower's Bible has fixed them. Indeed, the WTS says it has even improved its own version.

  I doubt that any modern translator would advertise that they relied on the Masoretic Text and on Westcott and Hort. The WTS need to drag themselves out of the 19th and early 20th centuries.
  

  Despite their trumpeting of its use of "Jehovah" (even in their NT, which beggars belief), I wonder when they will drop that absurd word, pretending that this was the "Name" (Ha Shem). If they wish to follow the pronunciation from the German scholars, the first letter of "Jehovah" is soft, like the letter "Y" as in "yellow". I know this because of my mother's maiden name (Jellinek). The closest true revelation should be "Yahweh" - not that he started out as the Supreme God; that honour belongs to EL - the God of Genesis 1.
  

  Doug
  
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  New light!, says JW-Archive. The inspired word can have mistranslations, says Dec 2015 WT

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  sorry, i know i posted this earlier but i believe the title did not gather enough attention.

  i think is a topic worth discussing.. http://www.jw-archive.org/post/127866869178/new-light-the-inspired-word-of-god-can.

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  Doug Mason

  And it is interesting to note the number of times that NT writers cited writings that were later not included in the Hebrew canon. These include writings such as: 1 Enoch; 1, 2, and 4 Maccabees; 3 and 4 Esdras; Wisdom of Solomon; Sirach; etc.
  

  See the list at "The Biblical Canon", pages 452 to 464, by Lee Martin McDonald.
  

  Doug
  
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  New light!, says JW-Archive. The inspired word can have mistranslations, says Dec 2015 WT

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  sorry, i know i posted this earlier but i believe the title did not gather enough attention.

  i think is a topic worth discussing.. http://www.jw-archive.org/post/127866869178/new-light-the-inspired-word-of-god-can.

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  Doug Mason

  The word translated as "inspired" is theopneustos, which means "God-breathed", as shown in the NIV. The word "inspire" is to "breathe in" while the word for "breathing out" is "expire".
  

  How do we know that the person who wrote 2 Timothy 3:16 is telling the truth?

  What writings was the child Timothy reading? Certainly not the Christian Scriptures, since they were not canonised until centuries later. And there was no Hebrew Canon at the time when the Christian texts were being written.

  Doug
  
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  New light!, says JW-Archive. The inspired word can have mistranslations, says Dec 2015 WT

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  sorry, i know i posted this earlier but i believe the title did not gather enough attention.

  i think is a topic worth discussing.. http://www.jw-archive.org/post/127866869178/new-light-the-inspired-word-of-god-can.

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  Doug Mason

  “Prior to the discovery of the [Dead Sea] scrolls, there was an assumption that the text of the Hebrew Bible was simply equated with the Masoretic Text. The Samaritan Pentateuch and the Septuagint were generally delegated to the sidelines and used primarily to "fix" the MT when there was a problem; the Targums and Peshitta also added overwhelming witness to the form of text as in the MT. But the scrolls have illuminated an unsuspected stage in the history of the biblical text: a period in which the text of the books of scripture was pluriform and still creatively developing, prior to the period of a single text for each book. The composition and compilation of each book was a lengthy, diachronic development, from its earliest sources up through its latest literary editions. The process usually involved more than one major author (cf. J, E, D, P for the Pentateuch; the Deuteronomists and their sources for Deuteronomy to Kings; First, Second, and Third Isaiah; the many composers of Psalms and Proverbs; and so forth) in addition to a series of minor authors, redactors, and contributing scribes. Qumran demonstrates that the textual form of most books was still in that state of creative development until at least 70 C.E. and possibly as late as 132. Now, when considering the books of scripture in the period of the late Second Temple and the origins of Christianity and rabbinic Judaism, we must distinguish between the book or literary opus and the particular wording or literary edition of that opus which may still have been in the stage of creative development.” (“The Canon Debate”, pages 31-32, McDonald and Sanders, editors.)
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  New light!, says JW-Archive. The inspired word can have mistranslations, says Dec 2015 WT

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  sorry, i know i posted this earlier but i believe the title did not gather enough attention.

  i think is a topic worth discussing.. http://www.jw-archive.org/post/127866869178/new-light-the-inspired-word-of-god-can.

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  Doug Mason

  Any translation, such as the Septuagint (LXX), introduces the translators' biases, and the situation was very fluid, since there were several Greek translations produced by redactors and commentators over time. And the NT writers quoted from the range available to them, including some we do not have access to.

  Even though Jesus (Yeshua) would have spoken in Aramaic, the Gospel writers have him citing the text from the LXX - often using Pesher interpretation (that is, a commentary, rather than a literal citation). Not that any of the NT writers ever saw Jesus or heard him speak.
  

  The early Christians, indeed, seemed to settle on the translation by Theodotian (especially of Daniel - part of which was written in Aramaic and part in Greek - as is attested by the DSS).

  The variants in the DSS provide one testimony to the fluidity of the texts.
  

  The manner in which the Watchtower amends the text to suit its biases replicates in a small way the manner in which the Hebrews were prepared to amend the text over time.

  The Hebrew text that is available today (I possess two English translations of the Tanakh) is about 1000 years old (plus and minus a century or three). It was produced by Jews known as Masoretes and they took the variant Hebrew texts, producing the current single Hebrew version. In doing so, they set previous errors in concrete - and we lost the earlier Hebrew versions.
  

  The text of the LXX is based on a Hebrew text that was about 1500 years earlier than the Hebrew Masoretic Text (MT) - the earlier text was written in palaeo Hebrew characters - see the use of those characters with "YHWH" in the Greek DSS.

  It is impossible to know what the original writers wrote (the autographs).
  

  For an analysis of the manner in which the NT writers used the Scriptures (our "Old Testament") read: "Biblical Exegesis in the Apostolic Period" by Richard Longenecker.

  Doug
  
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  Oh my God, I now have proof that Adam was made from dust.

  by James Mixon in

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  bro.

  e. soriano set matters straight for me.. you people alleged that the creation of adam is an "anti-scientific nonsense; and god did not.

  create adam from a handful of dust, like the bible says, (ok maybe a bucket full).

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  Doug Mason

  Adam was the only man without a navel.
  
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  Clarifying This Weeks Watchtower...CTR Reference

  by freemindfade in

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  what the sunday watchtard said.... in 1876, an article written by charles taze russell was published in the magazine bible examiner.

  that article, gentile times: when do they end?, pointed to 1914 as a significant year.

  the article linked the seven times of daniels prophecy with the appointed times of the nations spoken of by jesus.. what gentile times: when do they end?

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  Doug Mason

  My picture of the WT's chariot is actually a donkey (the typical JW) being ridden by the GB holding a carrot on a stick in front of the JW's eyes.

  Doug
  
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  Clarifying This Weeks Watchtower...CTR Reference

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what the sunday watchtard said.... in 1876, an article written by charles taze russell was published in the magazine bible examiner.

  that article, gentile times: when do they end?, pointed to 1914 as a significant year.

  the article linked the seven times of daniels prophecy with the appointed times of the nations spoken of by jesus.. what gentile times: when do they end?

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  Doug Mason

  My comments on CTR's article is available at:

  http://www.jwstudies.com/How_Many_Mistakes_in_one_Paragraph.pdf

  Note that Russell had two parallel fulfilments for 1914:
  

  (1) Jerusalem would ceased to be trodden on by the Gentiles and

  (2) Gentile nations would be dashed to pieces.

  In that article, Russell said that Nebuchadnezzar symbolised the fate of the Gentile nations; today the WTS says that Nebuchadnezzar symbolised the fate of God's kingdom.

  He might have pointed to 1914 (among a number of other dates - such as 1874 for the Parousia and 1878 for the closing of the door) but the WTS is very coy about revealing the what the significance was.
  

  Doug
  
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  GOD in the Beginning

  by Doug Mason in

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  the ancient hebrews left two bequests:.

  a universal, single god named yahweh;.

  a series of writings identified as sacred scripture..

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  Doug Mason

  I find it difficult to accept that Yahweh was sexless/neutered.

  The environment does not appear to lend itself to any sexless/transgender god.

  The ancients considered that El and his consort Asherah had 70 sons (the Elohim) through normal sexual activity.

  In my Study, I did not enumerate the characteristics of El, but they were of the kindlier nature, the Ancient of days, the Creator God. On the other hand, Yahweh was an angry, warrior, fierce God, who was only "tamed" when characteristics of El were merged into Yahweh, and at the same time El's female consort Asherah was assigned to Yahweh.

  There is no doubt that Asherah was a female as she is depicted with large breasts, usually with her hands beneath them to hold then out. This indicated sustenance and fertility.

  The Israelites worshiped several female goddesses along with a few male gods (symbolised with bulls or calves).
  

  Doug
  
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  GOD in the Beginning

  by Doug Mason in

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  the ancient hebrews left two bequests:.

  a universal, single god named yahweh;.

  a series of writings identified as sacred scripture..

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  Doug Mason

  Thank you Phizzy and others for your kind words.

  I learned a lot, especially placing the Biblical texts into the context of the evolution of the Hebrew culture during the 12th to 6th centuries,
  

  I sincerely hope that people will be motivated to read the books I cited and some of those that I referenced.

  Doug